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For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, this is just as bad.
Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. Workaholic.
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > this is just as bad.
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IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > Workaholic.
> dj
> On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > this is just as bad.
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No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction for putting others down.
My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you assume.
On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > Workaholic.
> > dj
> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > this is just as bad.
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> No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > for putting others down.
> My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > assume.
> On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > Workaholic.
> > > dj
> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > this is just as bad.
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I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > for putting others down.
> My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > assume.
> On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > Workaholic.
> > > dj
> > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > this is just as bad.
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I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the quick and easy cure. Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard, leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are simply fools.
The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > week about this.
> > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > for putting others down.
> > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > assume.
> > On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > dj
> > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > > this is just as bad.
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You have a talent for assuming that because exceptions exist, no rule is true. People are not different the world over, we are all african apes with specific, hereditary, commonalities. These commonalities include behavioural and sociological patterns.
> I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
> Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the > quick and easy cure. Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard, > leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
> In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are > simply fools.
> The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
> Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
> On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > > week about this.
> > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > > for putting others down.
> > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > > assume.
> > > On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > > dj
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > > > this is just as bad.
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> Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the > quick and easy cure.
Does this mean that you refuse to eat vegetables and fruit, preferring a doctors visit to remedy scurvy? Or do you somehow think that isn't an easier alternative. Does this mean that if a dentist tells you that regular flossing will help remove dental problems, you will tell the dentist that you would prefer the more complicated and expensive surgical procedures? Does this mean that you go from home to the grocery store via the Himalayas? Or do you indeed prefer the easier and less complicated methods and simply want to argue?
I think you may have mistaken the term "quick and easy" for the concept I was addressing, specifically believing that scientistic remedies provide a promise of a quick and easy cure and that if one doesn't investigate these claims, one will choose them believing the claims to be true, thus following the "quick and easy' path. It is the nature of all life to follow the quickest and easiest path, evolution shows this repeatedly. Sometimes the quickest and easiest turns out to be one with a few more steps or a little more time to begin with, but a more advantageous ending.
> In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are > simply fools.
> The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
> Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
> On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > > week about this.
> > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > > for putting others down.
> > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > > assume.
> > > On 5 Feb, 19:57, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > > dj
> > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > > > this is just as bad.
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The dishonesty from these organisations is deplorable. I find it hard to give benefit of the doubt when these shysters are doing everything possible to avoid telling the truth. Their idea of "testing" wouldn't have allowed them to pass 7th grade science courses. To see them get pwned:
> For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > this is just as bad.
And you have a talent for massive generalisation. Meh! So we are both talented.
In actual fact people the whole world over are differant. You and I are differant. we come from the same speices but it is clear that we do not think alike, nor hold similar belifes and I'm willing to bet that our vaule system is not the same either.
You can of course carry on treating people not as indivuduals but lumping them into the same broad groups bassed upon your own perception of them, I feel you would be doing your self a diservice, that though is your choice(Shut it Pat!).
As to true rules, yes I belive that it is impossible to state such a rule that goverens all people of an particular mindest, do you really belive that it is possible to do so? Please let us have one of these rules that you say exist, and then if we can find just one person in the grouping effected by this rule that it doesn't apply to then it must logicaly be false, yes?
On 9 Feb, 18:07, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You have a talent for assuming that because exceptions exist, no rule > is true. People are not different the world over, we are all african > apes with specific, hereditary, commonalities. These commonalities > include behavioural and sociological patterns.
> On Feb 9, 2:16 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > Ahhh normal service has been resummed.
> > I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
> > Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of > > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the > > quick and easy cure. Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard, > > leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
> > In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are > > simply fools.
> > The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to > > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual > > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
> > Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. > > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts > > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
> > On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> > > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > > > week about this.
> > > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > > > for putting others down.
> > > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > > > assume.
> > > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > > > dj
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I think he already has. Something along the lines of "Humans will act/react in a way they perceive as beneficial to them." Actually, this rule could possibly apply to all mammals. I see protecting one's loved ones(family and friends that give us emotional AND survival support) as selfish, ultimately. It is in our nature to be so.
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 4:02 AM, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote: > And you have a talent for massive generalisation. Meh! So we are > both talented.
> In actual fact people the whole world over are differant. You and I > are differant. we come from the same speices but it is clear that we > do not think alike, nor hold similar belifes and I'm willing to bet > that our vaule system is not the same either.
> You can of course carry on treating people not as indivuduals but > lumping them into the same broad groups bassed upon your own > perception of them, I feel you would be doing your self a diservice, > that though is your choice(Shut it Pat!).
> As to true rules, yes I belive that it is impossible to state such a > rule that goverens all people of an particular mindest, do you really > belive that it is possible to do so? Please let us have one of these > rules that you say exist, and then if we can find just one person in > the grouping effected by this rule that it doesn't apply to then it > must logicaly be false, yes?
> On 9 Feb, 18:07, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> You have a talent for assuming that because exceptions exist, no rule >> is true. People are not different the world over, we are all african >> apes with specific, hereditary, commonalities. These commonalities >> include behavioural and sociological patterns.
>> On Feb 9, 2:16 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> > Ahhh normal service has been resummed.
>> > I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
>> > Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of >> > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the >> > quick and easy cure. Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard, >> > leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
>> > In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are >> > simply fools.
>> > The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to >> > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual >> > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
>> > Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. >> > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts >> > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
>> > On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of >> > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to >> > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to >> > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually >> > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so >> > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to >> > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish >> > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
>> > > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
>> > > > Bloody hell, what is this?
>> > > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other >> > > > week about this.
>> > > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction >> > > > for putting others down.
>> > > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their >> > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in >> > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive >> > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you >> > > > assume.
>> > > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so >> > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like >> > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently >> > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
>> > > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of >> > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical >> > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes >> > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
>> > > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that >> > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate >> > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him >> > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. >> > > > > > Workaholic.
>> > > > > > dj
>> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: >> > > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. >> > > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the >> > > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, >> > > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent >> > > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to >> > > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be >> > > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography >> > > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, >> > > > > > > this is just as bad.
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' Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish between scientistic and scientific knowledge.'
Now you expand on that and my thanks for it. However I still think you are wrong, in your generlisation. By 'common' what do you mean?
I'll assume you mean the avargae man in the street, the common man, of normal intelegence?
Like for instance some of our African brothers who may instead of sending their sick child to a doctor(the quick and easy route) choose to take them to their Pastor to excorsise the demon out of them.
Thats just one little example from the very top of my head.
On 9 Feb, 21:26, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of > > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the > > quick and easy cure.
> Does this mean that you refuse to eat vegetables and fruit, preferring > a doctors visit to remedy scurvy? Or do you somehow think that isn't > an easier alternative. > Does this mean that if a dentist tells you that regular flossing will > help remove dental problems, you will tell the dentist that you would > prefer the more complicated and expensive surgical procedures? > Does this mean that you go from home to the grocery store via the > Himalayas? > Or do you indeed prefer the easier and less complicated methods and > simply want to argue?
> I think you may have mistaken the term "quick and easy" for the > concept I was addressing, specifically believing that scientistic > remedies provide a promise of a quick and easy cure and that if one > doesn't investigate these claims, one will choose them believing the > claims to be true, thus following the "quick and easy' path. > It is the nature of all life to follow the quickest and easiest path, > evolution shows this repeatedly. Sometimes the quickest and easiest > turns out to be one with a few more steps or a little more time to > begin with, but a more advantageous ending.
> On Feb 9, 2:16 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:> Ahhh normal service has been resummed.
> > I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
> Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard,
> > leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
> > In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are > > simply fools.
> > The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to > > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual > > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
> > Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. > > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts > > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
> > On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> > > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > > > week about this.
> > > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > > > for putting others down.
> > > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > > > assume.
> > > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > > > dj
> > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > > > > this is just as bad.
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When the doctor lives miles away and the preacher goes door to door threatening them with hell if they use a doctor rather than an exorcism? You have a very strange concept of easy.
On Feb 10, 2:13 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> ' Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.'
> Now you expand on that and my thanks for it. However I still think > you are wrong, in your generlisation. By 'common' what do you mean?
> I'll assume you mean the avargae man in the street, the common man, of > normal intelegence?
> Like for instance some of our African brothers who may instead of > sending their sick child to a doctor(the quick and easy route) choose > to take them to their Pastor to excorsise the demon out of them.
> Thats just one little example from the very top of my head.
> On 9 Feb, 21:26, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > and just so I'm clear:
> > > Speaking as one of these common people I can say withour fear of > > > contradiction that niether myself nor my wife have ever seeked the > > > quick and easy cure.
> > Does this mean that you refuse to eat vegetables and fruit, preferring > > a doctors visit to remedy scurvy? Or do you somehow think that isn't > > an easier alternative. > > Does this mean that if a dentist tells you that regular flossing will > > help remove dental problems, you will tell the dentist that you would > > prefer the more complicated and expensive surgical procedures? > > Does this mean that you go from home to the grocery store via the > > Himalayas? > > Or do you indeed prefer the easier and less complicated methods and > > simply want to argue?
> > I think you may have mistaken the term "quick and easy" for the > > concept I was addressing, specifically believing that scientistic > > remedies provide a promise of a quick and easy cure and that if one > > doesn't investigate these claims, one will choose them believing the > > claims to be true, thus following the "quick and easy' path. > > It is the nature of all life to follow the quickest and easiest path, > > evolution shows this repeatedly. Sometimes the quickest and easiest > > turns out to be one with a few more steps or a little more time to > > begin with, but a more advantageous ending.
> > On Feb 9, 2:16 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:> Ahhh normal service has been resummed.
> > > I would like to agree further with you here, but I find that I can't.
> > Nor am I formerly educated to a high standard,
> > > leaving school at 15 as I did and all that.
> > > In a similar vein, I also know some very well educated peopel who are > > > simply fools.
> > > The whole wolrd over we are diferant, and it makes far more sense to > > > me to deal with people and to think about people on an individual > > > basis than lump them together in broad and largly incorrect groupings.
> > > Of course the well educated can fall for scams, and also be religous. > > > And of course thoese without a great education can have street smarts > > > enough to not fall for scams, and be atheist.
> > > On 8 Feb, 20:23, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > I think that if one looks at society, one sees that around 3-5% of > > > > people are truly predatory. In our modern day, predatory relates to > > > > economic or monetary success. The only educated people that seem to > > > > believe this stuff are the promoters of it, the ones that actually > > > > profit. Common people want there to be quick and easy cures, and so > > > > they are credulous whenever some "scientistic" concept is given to > > > > them. The more education people pursue allows them to distinguish > > > > between scientistic and scientific knowledge.
> > > > On Feb 8, 9:01 am, Lee <l...@rdfmedia.com> wrote:
> > > > > Bloody hell, what is this?
> > > > > I agree with you Fidds. In fact I saw a piece in the news the other > > > > > week about this.
> > > > > No the agreement is out of the way lets talk about your prediliction > > > > > for putting others down.
> > > > > My freind of course the uneducated have nonsense running through their > > > > > heads, they are uneducated. However many educated people belive in > > > > > such nonsense too, so what governs the willingness to belive > > > > > nonsense? I don't think education has as much to do with it as you > > > > > assume.
> > > > > > IMO, when anyone makes a health claim, it needs to be tested. For so > > > > > > many people the favourite argument is: "it can't be tested like > > > > > > medicine." I think that's even a quote in that piece. This is patently > > > > > > untrue and nothing more than a dodge.
> > > > > > Self mutilators actually have some success, the pain and process of > > > > > > harming ones own flesh creates a whole set of different chemical > > > > > > reactions in the brain. This doesn't cure or prevent, it simply makes > > > > > > your brain discount or ignore the more natural problems.
> > > > > > On Feb 5, 11:50 am, Don Johnson <daj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Does acupuncture fit in with this group? I knew a Chinese guy that > > > > > > > swore by scratching. He used a wooden back scratcher to mutilate > > > > > > > himself and claimed it kept him from getting sick and helped him > > > > > > > relax. Whatever. Real smart guy too; owns a chain of Subways. > > > > > > > Workaholic.
> > > > > > > dj
> > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 12:36 PM, fiddler <krinantrem...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > For some reason, nonsense rules the minds of the uneducated. > > > > > > > > Homeopathy is one of those nonsense topics. It's bad enough that the > > > > > > > > homeopathic promoters don't understand the first thing about medecine, > > > > > > > > biology, chemical interactions, etc., why do otherwise intelligent > > > > > > > > people and organisations lend them credibilty by allowing them to > > > > > > > > entertain this nonsense in a collegiate environment? I would be > > > > > > > > horrified at a university that allows flat-earthers to teach geography > > > > > > > > or creationists to teach biology or a geocentrist to teach astronomy, > > > > > > > > this is just as bad.
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