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Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that everyone should ask. Are they happy?
Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or covert hostility). This gets the individual nice and introverted so that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than considering the larger questions.
The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an enquiry may lead. A person may start by realising that they are unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe even leaving the cult.
It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) and they do so.
This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high. One reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying to obliterate themselves.
The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful questions.
The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
On Nov 7, 8:05 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
Where did you get that idea. Especially in the freezone, I don't think that true.
> Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > covert hostility).
Not so. People have a chronic tone, and the data of the hubbard chart of human evaluations data's judgements are based solely or @ least mostly on chronic tones (that's my opinion, but I think it deducable, if not stated outrite in SOS). My own observations have gotten to the point that I'm almost positive hubbard was correct about tone, generally, if not on every single point.
This gets the individual nice and introverted so
> that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > considering the larger questions.
1st, what larger issues? 2nd; Your wrong. Scientologists should never introvert except to accomplish tasks in that state they've reason to beleive they can accomplish. Thats fundamental to the nature of scientology, dianetics and auditing.
> The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > enquiry may lead.
A person may start by realising that they are
> unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > even leaving the cult.
That might happen in the church, but it is against everything hubbard wrote...anybody got any source refs to contradict me?
> It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > and they do so.
Maby. The idea is that short of ridding 1self of the bank, the best we can do is improve self control.
> This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
You seem pretty caught up in things a person MIGHT think. I've a hard time thinking of things a person couldn't think, nd therefore think a person might think just about anything.
> In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high.
For this you offer WHAT evedence?
One
> reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > to obliterate themselves.
> The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > questions.
> The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> The real question is 'am I happy?
I didn't really begin to understand scientology/hubbardian thought untill out of the church for about 5 years now I do. I'm glad I do. I'm glad I was given such excellant instruction, by a western fat chain-smoking Master of fundamental data the human race neeeds to have, and that many of it's members still don't. (Thanks Ron!)
> Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > covert hostility). This gets the individual nice and introverted so > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > considering the larger questions.
> The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > enquiry may lead. A person may start by realising that they are > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > even leaving the cult.
> It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > and they do so.
> This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high. One > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > to obliterate themselves.
> The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > questions.
> The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> The real question is 'am I happy?
If happines is something bright shining and pleasant coloursparkling - how can scientologists be happy fed with shit all days?
Ron Hubbard never pops up from a box telling scientologists to smile because he tricked them so they holds on to his lies.
On 8 Nov, 07:07, Slarty <thaddeus.sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 7, 8:05 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> Where did you get that idea. Especially in the freezone, I don't > think that true.
Scientology is all process. Everything is to do with breaking a person down and 'processing' him as if the the individual were the problem. Sometimes the problem is not the person at all- his life is simply shit!!!
> > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > covert hostility).
> Not so. People have a chronic tone, and the data of the hubbard chart > of human evaluations data's judgements are based solely or @ least > mostly on chronic tones (that's my opinion, but I think it deducable, > if not stated outrite in SOS). My own observations have gotten to the > point that I'm almost positive hubbard was correct about tone, > generally, if not on every single point.
The trouble with this is that my point would still stand even if you were right. The Tone Scale still simplifies and limits a person and thus prevents wider questions from being asked.
> This gets the individual nice and introverted so
> > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > considering the larger questions.
> 1st, what larger issues? 2nd; Your wrong. Scientologists should > never introvert except to accomplish tasks in that state they've > reason to beleive they can accomplish. Thats fundamental to the > nature of scientology, dianetics and auditing.
The larger issue is... 'Am I happy'
Once this question is asked he may decide to change his life and drop Scientology.
> > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > enquiry may lead.
> A person may start by realising that they are
> > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > even leaving the cult.
> That might happen in the church, but it is against everything hubbard > wrote...anybody got any source refs to contradict me?
> > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > and they do so.
> Maby. The idea is that short of ridding 1self of the bank, the best > we can do is improve self control.
Maybe unhappyness is a signal. Maybe it is telling you that your life is based on a lie (Scientology)
> > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> You seem pretty caught up in things a person MIGHT think. I've a hard > time thinking of things a person couldn't think, nd therefore think a > person might think just about anything.
> > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high.
> For this you offer WHAT evedence?
Well publicised Scientology suicides. The French ones included. Tory personally knew eight who died..
> > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > to obliterate themselves.
> > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > questions.
> > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > The real question is 'am I happy?
> I didn't really begin to understand scientology/hubbardian thought > untill out of the church for about 5 years now I do. I'm glad I do. > I'm glad I was given such excellant instruction, by a western fat > chain-smoking Master of fundamental data the human race neeeds to > have, and that many of it's members still don't. (Thanks Ron!)- Hide quoted text -
> - Show quoted text -
The only real evidence I have is a mixture of common sense and personal experiences.
Think of the difference between these tow questions.
1. Where are you on the tone scale?
2. Are you happy?
Question 1 sends you into yourself. You self examin but do not consider the valididity of your life. It is YOU who are the issue.
Question 2 is much wider. If you are not happy you may have to change your life. It extroverts you while Q1 introverts.
> On Nov 7, 8:05 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> Where did you get that idea. Especially in the freezone, I don't > think that true.
> > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > covert hostility).
> Not so. People have a chronic tone, and the data of the hubbard chart > of human evaluations data's judgements are based solely or @ least > mostly on chronic tones (that's my opinion, but I think it deducable, > if not stated outrite in SOS). My own observations have gotten to the > point that I'm almost positive hubbard was correct about tone, > generally, if not on every single point.
> This gets the individual nice and introverted so
> > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > considering the larger questions.
> 1st, what larger issues? 2nd; Your wrong. Scientologists should > never introvert except to accomplish tasks in that state they've > reason to beleive they can accomplish. Thats fundamental to the > nature of scientology, dianetics and auditing.
> > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > enquiry may lead.
> A person may start by realising that they are
> > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > even leaving the cult.
> That might happen in the church, but it is against everything hubbard > wrote...anybody got any source refs to contradict me?
> > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > and they do so.
> Maby. The idea is that short of ridding 1self of the bank, the best > we can do is improve self control.
> > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> You seem pretty caught up in things a person MIGHT think. I've a hard > time thinking of things a person couldn't think, nd therefore think a > person might think just about anything.
> > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high.
> For this you offer WHAT evedence?
> One
> > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > to obliterate themselves.
> > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > questions.
> > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > The real question is 'am I happy?
> I didn't really begin to understand scientology/hubbardian thought > untill out of the church for about 5 years now I do. I'm glad I do. > I'm glad I was given such excellant instruction, by a western fat > chain-smoking Master of fundamental data the human race neeeds to > have, and that many of it's members still don't. (Thanks Ron!)
Did you ever compare Volney Mathison's 'Electro psychometric Scale (Circular shape) ( from 1954 and 1957) to see how they differ?
Volney Mathison: "The faker who hypnotizes you out of your money is not himself a sane, whole, and happy man--he is usually operating, puppet-like, on some deep, uncleared set of sub conscious image patterns as brutal as those of some stray killer shark'
> On 8 Nov, 07:07, Slarty <thaddeus.sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 8:05 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> > Where did you get that idea. Especially in the freezone, I don't > > think that true.
> Scientology is all process. Everything is to do with breaking a person > down and 'processing' him as if the the individual were the problem. > Sometimes the problem is not the person at all- his life is simply > shit!!!
> > > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > > covert hostility).
> > Not so. People have a chronic tone, and the data of the hubbard chart > > of human evaluations data's judgements are based solely or @ least > > mostly on chronic tones (that's my opinion, but I think it deducable, > > if not stated outrite in SOS). My own observations have gotten to the > > point that I'm almost positive hubbard was correct about tone, > > generally, if not on every single point.
> The trouble with this is that my point would still stand even if you > were right. The Tone Scale still simplifies and limits a person and > thus prevents wider questions from being asked.
> > This gets the individual nice and introverted so
> > > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > > considering the larger questions.
> > 1st, what larger issues? 2nd; Your wrong. Scientologists should > > never introvert except to accomplish tasks in that state they've > > reason to beleive they can accomplish. Thats fundamental to the > > nature of scientology, dianetics and auditing.
> The larger issue is... 'Am I happy'
> Once this question is asked he may decide to change his life and drop > Scientology.
> > > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > > enquiry may lead.
> > A person may start by realising that they are
> > > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > > even leaving the cult.
> > That might happen in the church, but it is against everything hubbard > > wrote...anybody got any source refs to contradict me?
> > > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > > and they do so.
> > Maby. The idea is that short of ridding 1self of the bank, the best > > we can do is improve self control.
> Maybe unhappyness is a signal. Maybe it is telling you that your life > is based on a lie (Scientology)
> > > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> > You seem pretty caught up in things a person MIGHT think. I've a hard > > time thinking of things a person couldn't think, nd therefore think a > > person might think just about anything.
> > > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high.
> > For this you offer WHAT evedence?
> Well publicised Scientology suicides. The French ones included. Tory > personally knew eight who died..
> > One
> > > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > > to obliterate themselves.
> > > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > > questions.
> > > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > > The real question is 'am I happy?
> > I didn't really begin to understand scientology/hubbardian thought > > untill out of the church for about 5 years now I do. I'm glad I do. > > I'm glad I was given such excellant instruction, by a western fat > > chain-smoking Master of fundamental data the human race neeeds to > > have, and that many of it's members still don't. (Thanks Ron!)- Hide quoted text -
> > - Show quoted text -
> The only real evidence I have is a mixture of common sense and > personal experiences.
> Think of the difference between these tow questions.
> 1. Where are you on the tone scale?
> 2. Are you happy?
> Question 1 sends you into yourself. You self examin but do not > consider the valididity of your life. It is YOU who are the issue.
> Question 2 is much wider. If you are not happy you may have to change > your life. It extroverts you while Q1 introverts.
I'm sorry. You have slipped into arguments too transparently sensational for me to reply, and based on no real investigation. I don't know if you can't see that or if you've been payed to be that way, or if it's your style, or if its that your dumb as dirt. If any1 has what it takes in terms of patience, to show the fallacy I see, then maby you should pull out the heavy equipment. I don't have the patience. My elevator doesn't go that far down.
> On Nov 8, 1:07 am, Slarty <thaddeus.sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 7, 8:05 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> > Where did you get that idea. Especially in the freezone, I don't > > think that true.
> > > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > > covert hostility).
> > Not so. People have a chronic tone, and the data of the hubbard chart > > of human evaluations data's judgements are based solely or @ least > > mostly on chronic tones (that's my opinion, but I think it deducable, > > if not stated outrite in SOS). My own observations have gotten to the > > point that I'm almost positive hubbard was correct about tone, > > generally, if not on every single point.
> > This gets the individual nice and introverted so
> > > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > > considering the larger questions.
> > 1st, what larger issues? 2nd; Your wrong. Scientologists should > > never introvert except to accomplish tasks in that state they've > > reason to beleive they can accomplish. Thats fundamental to the > > nature of scientology, dianetics and auditing.
> > > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > > enquiry may lead.
> > A person may start by realising that they are
> > > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > > even leaving the cult.
> > That might happen in the church, but it is against everything hubbard > > wrote...anybody got any source refs to contradict me?
> > > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > > and they do so.
> > Maby. The idea is that short of ridding 1self of the bank, the best > > we can do is improve self control.
> > > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> > You seem pretty caught up in things a person MIGHT think. I've a hard > > time thinking of things a person couldn't think, nd therefore think a > > person might think just about anything.
> > > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high.
> > For this you offer WHAT evedence?
> > One
> > > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > > to obliterate themselves.
> > > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > > questions.
> > > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > > The real question is 'am I happy?
> > I didn't really begin to understand scientology/hubbardian thought > > untill out of the church for about 5 years now I do. I'm glad I do. > > I'm glad I was given such excellant instruction, by a western fat > > chain-smoking Master of fundamental data the human race neeeds to > > have, and that many of it's members still don't. (Thanks Ron!)
> Did you ever compare Volney Mathison's 'Electro psychometric Scale > (Circular shape) ( from 1954 and 1957) to see how they differ?
> Volney Mathison: > "The faker who hypnotizes you out of your money is not himself a sane, > whole, and happy man--he is usually operating, puppet-like, on some > deep, uncleared set of sub conscious image patterns as brutal as those > of some stray killer shark'
This is even worse than the above. Look @ those things. They are shlock!
> On 7 Nov, 17:05, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > covert hostility). This gets the individual nice and introverted so > > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > considering the larger questions.
> > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > enquiry may lead. A person may start by realising that they are > > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > even leaving the cult.
> > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > and they do so.
> > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high. One > > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > to obliterate themselves.
> > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > questions.
> > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > The real question is 'am I happy?
> If happines is something bright shining and pleasant coloursparkling - > how can scientologists be happy fed with shit all days?
> Ron Hubbard never pops up from a box telling scientologists to smile > because he tricked them so they holds on to his lies.
"Conform or else!" is not the propper basis of an ethic. It destroys creativity.
> On Nov 8, 12:55 am, Roger Larsson <exins...@tiscali.se> wrote:
> > On 7 Nov, 17:05, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> > > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > > covert hostility). This gets the individual nice and introverted so > > > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > > considering the larger questions.
> > > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > > enquiry may lead. A person may start by realising that they are > > > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > > even leaving the cult.
> > > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > > and they do so.
> > > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> > > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high. One > > > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > > to obliterate themselves.
> > > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > > questions.
> > > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > > The real question is 'am I happy?
> > If happines is something bright shining and pleasant coloursparkling - > > how can scientologists be happy fed with shit all days?
> > Ron Hubbard never pops up from a box telling scientologists to smile > > because he tricked them so they holds on to his lies.
> "Conform or else!" is not the propper basis of an ethic. It destroys > creativity.
Could be the truth BUT the truth is behind the numbers. The ones only looking at numbers and gives a shit in the truth behind the numbers and drops dead.
> On 9 Nov, 17:25, Slarty <thaddeus.sl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 8, 12:55 am, Roger Larsson <exins...@tiscali.se> wrote:
> > > On 7 Nov, 17:05, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > > > Scientologists are discouraged from asking the one question that > > > > everyone should ask. Are they happy?
> > > > Scientologists are directed to the Tone Scale where they are asked to > > > > mesure themselves against a list of temporary states (such as anger or > > > > covert hostility). This gets the individual nice and introverted so > > > > that he is constantly looking at his mental state rather than > > > > considering the larger questions.
> > > > The moment a person asks themselves if they are happy, they begin to > > > > consider their life as a whole. There is no way to tell where such an > > > > enquiry may lead. A person may start by realising that they are > > > > unhappy- and then go on to question their entire belief system- maybe > > > > even leaving the cult.
> > > > It is far better (from their point of view) to keep a person > > > > distracted with their ever changing moods. There is even a drill by > > > > which a person is asked to assume a position on the tone scale at > > > > will. The PC is asked to assume a tone of cheerfulness (for example) > > > > and they do so.
> > > > This (sort of) works. The PC often beleves that he is learning a > > > > useful skill and will no longer be beaten down by life.
> > > > In reality he is simply disconnecting with his true nature and > > > > feelings. He becomes so used to pretending that he no longer knows > > > > what he truely thinks or feels about anything. A sense of desperation, > > > > phonyness and emptyness develops and hollows out the personality. This > > > > is actually a form of depression but it is usually covered up by a > > > > brittle and slightly hysterical show of certanty.
> > > > A person (not only Scientologists) may seem quite happy. They may be a > > > > dutiful father, mother, employee and citisen. They have a good word > > > > for everyone and then one morning they blow their brains out. It is > > > > only then that most people realise they never really knew them. The > > > > real problem was not sorrow but inauthenticity. The person was living > > > > a lie and no longer even knew who they were.
> > > > The suicide rate among Scientologists seems to be quite high. One > > > > reason may be the lack of authenticity within the group. Many > > > > Scientologists act the role of Scientologists as if they were trying > > > > to obliterate themselves.
> > > > The first step towards freedom and integrity is to ask meaningful > > > > questions.
> > > > The real question is not 'which Scientology certificates do I hold?'
> > > > The real question is 'am I happy?
> > > If happines is something bright shining and pleasant coloursparkling - > > > how can scientologists be happy fed with shit all days?
> > > Ron Hubbard never pops up from a box telling scientologists to smile > > > because he tricked them so they holds on to his lies.
> > "Conform or else!" is not the propper basis of an ethic. It destroys > > creativity.
> Could be the truth BUT the truth is behind the numbers. The ones only > looking at numbers and gives a shit in the truth behind the numbers > and drops dead.- Hide quoted text -
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