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Eldon  
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 Más opciones 4 nov, 14:42
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
Fecha: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:42:04 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mié 4 nov 2009 14:42
Asunto: Tommy Davis: Scientology avoids membership estimates
See this AP "rundown" on the various recent debacles.

www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5isbebXXYeD3dQSnye_rIpvCEkX...

Defections, court fights test Scientology
By ERIC GORSKI (AP) – 3 days ago

Church spokesman Tommy Davis said Scientology is flourishing, with
more than 8,000 Scientology churches, missions and groups in 160-plus
nations. He said assets and property holdings have doubled over the
past five years, including a new church in Rome and another opening
this weekend in Washington, D.C.

"From our perspective, things are going pretty great," Davis said. "In
fact, that's downplaying it. Actually, what's happening with the
church right now is frankly spectacular. To the degree there are these
various things happening, it really is a lot of noise."

One major survey of American religion shows Scientology declining in
the U.S., however. The estimated number of Americans who identify as
Scientologists rose from 45,000 in 1990 to 55,000 in 2001, then
plummeted to 25,000 in 2008, according to the American Religion
Identification Survey.

Davis said that while the church avoids membership estimates, it's
"absolutely in the millions" globally and growing in the U.S.


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rhill  
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 Más opciones 4 nov, 15:09
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De: rhill <rh...@xenu-directory.net>
Fecha: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 15:09:43 -0500
Local: Mié 4 nov 2009 15:09
Asunto: Re: Tommy Davis: Scientology avoids membership estimates

So if the numbers the Church of Scientology has provided us over time
aren't estimates, they are exact figures?

--
Ray.


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De: Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com>
Fecha: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 12:53:09 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mié 4 nov 2009 15:53
Asunto: Re: Tommy Davis: Scientology avoids membership estimates
On Nov 4, 12:42 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:

> Davis said that while the church avoids membership estimates, it's
> "absolutely in the millions" globally and growing in the U.S.

Davis is "absolutely" brainwashed if he believes that. I'm sure he
picks up a vibe of excitement about Scientology in Hollywood, and
thinks it is like that everywhere. Why is a cult that is so stat-
obsessed in other respects -- right down to taking notes of every
auditing session and keeping them on file, or miles of wire used in
the Ft. Brainwash renovation  -- yet so disorganized they can't keep a
database of people currently taking Scientology courses, or holding
some kind of simple membership.

I think this whole aspect of stats constitutes why it is so damn hard
to get off their mailing list. Once you are taken off, you can't be
part of someone's stats as an active member, and instead some drone is
held accountable for the decline. Is that a good stat to tell your
supervisor: "I took 40 pissed-off people off the mailing list today."
Hip hip hurray!


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Eldon  
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De: Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com>
Fecha: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 03:23:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Jue 5 nov 2009 06:23
Asunto: Re: Tommy Davis: Scientology avoids membership estimates
On Nov 4, 9:53 pm, Astrid <Astrid7777...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> On Nov 4, 12:42 pm, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:

> > Davis said that while the church avoids membership estimates, it's
> > "absolutely in the millions" globally and growing in the U.S.

> Davis is "absolutely" brainwashed if he believes that. I'm sure he
> picks up a vibe of excitement about Scientology in Hollywood, and
> thinks it is like that everywhere. Why is a cult that is so stat-
> obsessed in other respects -- right down to taking notes of every
> auditing session and keeping them on file, or miles of wire used in
> the Ft. Brainwash renovation  -- yet so disorganized they can't keep a
> database of people currently taking Scientology courses, or holding
> some kind of simple membership.

As Ray sardonically implied, they have been spewing out numbers of 8,
10 and 12 million members ever since Heber appeared on the disastrous
60 Minutes show back in 1985. They know exactly what the stats are
right now, but they ain't talkin' no mo'.

> I think this whole aspect of stats constitutes why it is so damn hard
> to get off their mailing list. Once you are taken off, you can't be
> part of someone's stats as an active member, and instead some drone is
> held accountable for the decline. Is that a good stat to tell your
> supervisor: "I took 40 pissed-off people off the mailing list today."
> Hip hip hurray!

They're scraping the bottom of the barrel. Not long ago, a guy who
left the Sea Org well  over 20 years ago, and is entirely disaffected,
received a few phone calls. Poor phone registrars.

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