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How Scientology Works 27- No Friendship
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Richard Ford  
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 Más opciones 7 nov, 12:47
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com>
Fecha: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 09:47:58 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sáb 7 nov 2009 12:47
Asunto: How Scientology Works 27- No Friendship
A friend is someone you can talk to without fear of judgement or
having your words twisted and used against you.

There are no real friendships in Scientology. This is because is is
impossible to talk about anything more meaningful than the weather.

Let us look at what is off limits.

1) Talk of friends or anything resembling gossip. This is always
regarded as suppressive no matter how harmless.

2) Bad news of any kind. This may include problems with other people
or it may involve problems with life in general. The answer is always
the same. The scientologist should not be discussing it with their
friend but should look up the references instead. Anything else is
verbal tech.

3) Politics, economics or most technology. These issues have already
been decided by LRH.

4) Personal feelings.

5) Personal thoughts or observations. This is verbal tech.

6) Money.

7) Love and sex (no, no, no)

They CANNOT discuss their personal lives. Anything they say may become
a big issue for some Scientologist further up the bridge. They may
discuss petty likes and dislikes such as favorite foods but nothing
more. Admitting that we are attracted to another person would almost
always be an ethics offence.

They CANNOT discuss their plans except for their plans to take more
courses. This is because all such talk must be done in the framework
of admin scales and ethics conditions. Use these terms and your talk
becomes meaningless. i.e 'I must get out of Danger on the First
Dynamic'.

They cannot discuss other people. They cannot discuss things that go
wrong or the past. This would amount to discussing ones case. They
cannot even discuss Scientology- this would be verbal tech.

They cannot discuss much at all. Scientology not only isolates the
individual from the outside world- it also isolates him within
Scientology. This makes it far easier to control people


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Gregory Hall  
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 Más opciones 7 nov, 13:18
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Fecha: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 13:18:09 -0500
Local: Sáb 7 nov 2009 13:18
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- No Friendship
"Richard Ford" <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

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>A friend is someone you can talk to without fear of judgement or
> having your words twisted and used against you.

> There are no real friendships in Scientology. This is because is is
> impossible to talk about anything more meaningful than the weather.

I noticed that when I tried to talk to Barbara Schwarz via email.

> Let us look at what is off limits.

> 1) Talk of friends or anything resembling gossip. This is always
> regarded as suppressive no matter how harmless.

Barbara claims she needs no friends and she wants no friends. She gets
downright hostile when you say you want to be her friend.

> 2) Bad news of any kind. This may include problems with other people
> or it may involve problems with life in general. The answer is always
> the same. The scientologist should not be discussing it with their
> friend but should look up the references instead. Anything else is
> verbal tech.

Barbara considers any discussion of problems or fears suppressive.

> 3) Politics, economics or most technology. These issues have already
> been decided by LRH.

Psychology is a prime example. Any talk of psychology is downright
suppressive. "Psych" drugs are even more verbotten.

> 4) Personal feelings.

Barbara Schwarz will never admit she likes me because this would be showing
her personal feelings in public and that's strictly against Scientology
where the only thing one is allowed to like is Scientology itself.

> 5) Personal thoughts or observations. This is verbal tech.

I have noticed that Barbara never posts personal thoughts or observations.
She just repeats the Scientology propanda over and over. She claims to be
versed in science but science fiction is what she spews. Like father like
daughter, I suppose.

> 6) Money.

The average, run-of-the-mill Scientologist has no money of their own so
what's to discuss. The staffers and the celebrities have money but they
don't discuss their ill-gotten gains out of fear of the IRS.

> 7) Love and sex (no, no, no)

Barbara Schwarz seems to go into seizures at the mere mention of sexual
activities. She practically suffered a coronary when I photoshopped a photo
of a lovely, bikini-clad model in the doorway of her little log cabin. She
took down her web page where she posted some entirely clothed photos of
herself just because they showed a little leg. I think Scientology makes
women frigid as evidenced by Claire Swazey's preoccupation with clitoral
vibrators.

> They CANNOT discuss their personal lives. Anything they say may become
> a big issue for some Scientologist further up the bridge. They may
> discuss petty likes and dislikes such as favorite foods but nothing
> more. Admitting that we are attracted to another person would almost
> always be an ethics offence.

This is very true. Blackmail seems to be among their major concerns. Since
they so readily engage in blackmail they think if they had any friends they
would do the same so they run and hide from friends who would like to be on
their side.

--
Gregory Hall

--
Gregory Hall


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El asunto del debate ha cambiado a "How Scientology Works 27- yes, friendship" de Barbara loves Marty
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 Más opciones 7 nov, 21:14
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:14:53 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sáb 7 nov 2009 21:14
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- yes, friendship
On Nov 7, 12:18 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:

> "Richard Ford" <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

> news:71ec0fa4-67e9-42a4-87f8-f267cce74d14@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> >A friend is someone you can talk to without fear of judgement or
> > having your words twisted and used against you.

> > There are no real friendships in Scientology. This is because is is
> > impossible to talk about anything more meaningful than the weather.

> I noticed that when I tried to talk to Barbara Schwarz via email.

You are bad guy and I have no interest to email bad people.

> > Let us look at what is off limits.

> > 1) Talk of friends or anything resembling gossip. This is always
> > regarded as suppressive no matter how harmless.

> Barbara claims she needs no friends and she wants no friends. She gets
> downright hostile when you say you want to be her friend.

I do not want bad and perverted friends.

Rest of your lies ignored. How Christian Neal can think that Jesus
will forgive his lies and defamation is beyond me. The man has no
conscience.

Barbara Schwarz


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El asunto del debate ha cambiado a "How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship" de Barbara loves Marty
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De: Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:20:24 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sáb 7 nov 2009 21:20
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship
On Nov 7, 11:47 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> A friend is someone you can talk to without fear of judgement or
> having your words twisted and used against you.

That is how it was under L. Ron Hubbard. Much of what he wrote was
stolen or replace with other text.
But something is still in available. L. Ron Hubbard said that the day
we can trust each other will be peace on Earth.

That says it all.

If you think there are no friendships in the orgs, then blame it on
those who changed Scientology.

But in defense of Scientologists, what you say that they did not do,
they did tell me.

Many told me what they feel, spoke about politics, society,
technology, observations, personal feelings, love...

Perhaps it is you why they don't open up. But in or out of
Scientology, people tell me their stories all the time.

Barbara Schwarz


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Barbara loves Marty  
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 Más opciones 7 nov, 21:23
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 18:23:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sáb 7 nov 2009 21:23
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship
And don't forget, there is also the Code of Honor by L. Ron Hubbard.

Never desert somebody in need, in danger or in trouble.

That is how he was.

Barbara Schwarz


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Richard Ford  
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 Más opciones 8 nov, 06:00
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com>
Fecha: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 03:00:49 -0800 (PST)
Local: Dom 8 nov 2009 06:00
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship
On 8 Nov, 02:23, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> And don't forget, there is also the Code of Honor by L. Ron Hubbard.

> Never desert somebody in need, in danger or in trouble.

> That is how he was.

> Barbara Schwarz

People who were in Scientology long time tell me the social situation
worstened over time. It is now completely inhuman but sounded quite
fun at one time.

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El asunto del debate ha cambiado a "How Scientology Works 27- yes, friendship -Barbara has NO friends. She is suspicious of EVERYBODY." de Gregory Hall
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 Más opciones 8 nov, 13:16
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake>
Fecha: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 13:16:27 -0500
Local: Dom 8 nov 2009 13:16
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- yes, friendship -Barbara has NO friends. She is suspicious of EVERYBODY.
"Barbara loves Marty" <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 7, 12:18 pm, "Gregory Hall" <gregh...@home.fake> wrote:
> "Richard Ford" <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote in message

> news:71ec0fa4-67e9-42a4-87f8-f267cce74d14@k4g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...

> >A friend is someone you can talk to without fear of judgement or
> > having your words twisted and used against you.

> > There are no real friendships in Scientology. This is because is is
> > impossible to talk about anything more meaningful than the weather.

> I noticed that when I tried to talk to Barbara Schwarz via email.

::
:: You are bad guy and I have no interest to email bad people.

Yah, Right! Is that why you sent so many emails?

> > Let us look at what is off limits.

> > 1) Talk of friends or anything resembling gossip. This is always
> > regarded as suppressive no matter how harmless.

> Barbara claims she needs no friends and she wants no friends. She gets
> downright hostile when you say you want to be her friend.

::
:: I do not want bad and perverted friends.
::
:: Rest of your lies ignored. How Christian Neal can think that Jesus
:: will forgive his lies and defamation is beyond me. The man has no
:: conscience.

Rest of the truth ignored because poor Barbara has no way to refute them.
She has neither the intelligence not the verbal skills. She totally lacks
logic circuits in what passes for her brain. She's got a head full of kooky
ideas that give her a warped view of reality. She lacks ethics and
integrity. She's too busy fair-gaming those who try to befriend her. She's
her own worse enemy.

This is what Scientology does to people. It turns them into their own worst
enemy. Of course they cannot get away from themselves. There is nowhere to
run and nowhere to hide. Their only plausible escape is to go nuts or
somehow come up with the strength to get away from Scientology. This is
doubly difficult as the majority of Scientology teachings involve turning
the individual's attention onto him or herself. Isolating the self from
everybody and everything except Scientology. This is the creation of drones,
mind-numbed robots who are just so many captive slaves.

--
Gregory Hall


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 Más opciones 8 nov, 19:57
Grupos de noticias: alt.religion.scientology
De: Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:57:36 -0800 (PST)
Local: Dom 8 nov 2009 19:57
Asunto: Plonk
Sexist and harasser  Neal Warren aka Greg Hall is a small man who
can't deal with rejection. His opinion change all few minutes.

He lies horrendously and in his bible version, there are at least two
commandments missing:

1) Do not speak false witness

2) Do not go after the wife of somebody else.

He just posted that he would be occupy with his new reading device but
now again, this stalker does nothing else but posting lies about me.

As a Christian he thinks he can commit as much crimes as he wants
because Jesus and God will forgive him anyway.

He will be in for a surprise

Barbara Schwarz


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El asunto del debate ha cambiado a "How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship" de Barbara loves Marty
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De: Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
Fecha: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 17:01:28 -0800 (PST)
Local: Dom 8 nov 2009 20:01
Asunto: Re: How Scientology Works 27- Yes, friendship
On Nov 8, 5:00 am, Richard Ford <doorman.f...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> On 8 Nov, 02:23, Barbara loves Marty <barbaralovesmarty...@gmail.com>
> wrote:

> > And don't forget, there is also the Code of Honor by L. Ron Hubbard.

> > Never desert somebody in need, in danger or in trouble.

> > That is how he was.

> > Barbara Schwarz

> People who were in Scientology long time tell me the social situation
> worstened over time. It is now completely inhuman but sounded quite
> fun at one time.

L. Ron Hubbard was great friend to anybody and true Scientologists are
great friends to others.

If things are not like this in the orgs, it is not Scientology but
something else than took over.

However, being a good friend does not mean that a person can't chose
her friends and a woman has to befriend her stalker and defamer.

I am picky with my friends. I just want true and smart friends.

Barbara Schwarz


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