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What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
Good Gawd. This is really screwed up.
Alonzo //
Marty wrote:
“…I have lent effort to a number of 3rd dynamic justice actions in the past nine months that have been wasted, severely delayed, and possibly outright sabotaged by “the far left of the Scientology spectrum”. At the end of the day, if they don’t clean up their act – and show some tolerance – like your words “I respect anyone who still wants to practice Scientology” – I may end up mobilizing a defense to the assault myself. After all, I can’t trust Miscavige to protect the philosophy because that does not align with his purpose.”
1. In what ways, exactly, have the “far left of the Scientology spectrum” wasted, severely delayed, and possibly outright sabotaged your 3rd dynamic justice actions? Can you let us know exactly how their actions have been destructive of progress? Can you please be specific here? 2. You say that you may end up “mobilizing a defense to the assault” yourself. What is the assault, exactly, and how, exactly do you intend to mobilize a defense against it? Can a philosophy really be “assaulted”? 3. How, exactly, do you “protect a philosophy”?
These sound to me like old Scientology habits coming up as a response to things you may have seen before. That happens a lot when a person starts to get out of the Church and begins operating in the real world again.
It’s important to notice these old habits when they emerge.
Think about them. Are they really appropriate to life outside the Church and the Sea Org? Are they really completely rational in the context of the newly reformed Scientology I believe you are trying to create? ------ ◦ martyrathbun09 // November 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Reply -- Alonzo, I held out such great hope for you. Your comm is verging on unreadable, having snapped terminals and been swept into the GPM on the far left side. You need to get out and have that walk and really distinguish yourself as an individual being and recoup a viewpoint of your own. It’ll make you feel a whole hell of a lot better. ------ ◦ Alanzo // November 19, 2009 at 5:29 pm -- I know the spirit in which you delivered this: you really do want to see me better off. All I’m asking you to do is to apply the discipline of being specific about the damage that the “left” has caused. And to be specific about how a philosophy can be “assaulted” and “protected”. I believe that the disciplined process of being specific about these things will produce new solutions that will be far more appropriate and constructive than the generalized policies LRH laid out to handle “critics” which have caused unmitigated disaster for so many years. It’s not a “following orders” or “following policy” kind of response which will be the most constructive, in my opinion. I still have huge respect for you, Marty. But you can’t go backwards. It’s time to think up new solutions to Scientology’s critics.
On Nov 19, 11:43 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:
> What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who > comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
I'm confused. Does this mean Marty thinks of himself in the Center, or is he Far Right, with LRH, doing anything to KSW so that Scientology can take over business, government, education and medicine, and get that Space Org built to clear the Universe.
Also, doesn't the "what is true for you" interpretation of LRH crap, automatically mean there will be no consensus reality, or understanding of the tech that is common to all Scilons? The only consistency is obtained through enforced policy, which needs to be run by a cruel dictator, with executives willing to act as his henchmen.
When declaring "wins," Scientologists don't say what their specific benefit is. They act like they've been goosed by a giant intergalactic goose, and spout meaningless pre-approved slogans about their "space expanding" etc. And Marty and others really thing this is going to catch on and save the planet?
The only thing common to all Scientologists, while they are in the cult anyway, is that they accept the big lie, that L. Ron has all the answers. They'll accept that he was cruel to children, drove his son to suicide, flunked out of school, couldn't speak a foreign language worth shit etc., but gee, he had all the answers.
Plus, it is hard for me to discern how wonderfully LRH tech has worked for Rathbun and Rinder, in their lives. I can see how Scientology helped give Travolta more confidence. Marty is accusing all criticism as coming from people who have not had success with LRH tech, whether they are former Scientologists or not. Automatically, your whole twenty years in Scientology becomes invalid because you can't pretend you got super powers from it? Is that it?
It's very difficult understanding these novis homos.
> What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who > comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
> Good Gawd. This is really screwed up.
> Alonzo //
> Marty wrote:
> “…I have lent effort to a number of 3rd dynamic justice actions in the > past nine months that have been wasted, severely delayed, and possibly > outright sabotaged by “the far left of the Scientology spectrum”. At > the end of the day, if they don’t clean up their act – and show some > tolerance – like your words “I respect anyone who still wants to > practice Scientology” – I may end up mobilizing a defense to the > assault myself. After all, I can’t trust Miscavige to protect the > philosophy because that does not align with his purpose.”
> 1. In what ways, exactly, have the “far left of the Scientology > spectrum” wasted, severely delayed, and possibly outright sabotaged > your 3rd dynamic justice actions? > Can you let us know exactly how their actions have been destructive of > progress? > Can you please be specific here? > 2. You say that you may end up “mobilizing a defense to the assault” > yourself. > What is the assault, exactly, and how, exactly do you intend to > mobilize a defense against it? > Can a philosophy really be “assaulted”? > 3. How, exactly, do you “protect a philosophy”?
> These sound to me like old Scientology habits coming up as a response > to things you may have seen before. That happens a lot when a person > starts to get out of the Church and begins operating in the real world > again.
> It’s important to notice these old habits when they emerge.
> Think about them. Are they really appropriate to life outside the > Church and the Sea Org? > Are they really completely rational in the context of the newly > reformed Scientology I believe you are trying to create? > ------ > ◦ martyrathbun09 // November 19, 2009 at 5:07 pm | Reply -- Alonzo, > I held out such great hope for you. Your comm is verging on > unreadable, having snapped terminals and been swept into the GPM on > the far left side. You need to get out and have that walk and really > distinguish yourself as an individual being and recoup a viewpoint of > your own. It’ll make you feel a whole hell of a lot better. > ------ > ◦ Alanzo // November 19, 2009 at 5:29 pm -- I know the spirit in > which you delivered this: you really do want to see me better off. > All I’m asking you to do is to apply the discipline of being specific > about the damage that the “left” has caused. And to be specific about > how a philosophy can be “assaulted” and “protected”. I believe that > the disciplined process of being specific about these things will > produce new solutions that will be far more appropriate and > constructive than the generalized policies LRH laid out to handle > “critics” which have caused unmitigated disaster for so many years. > It’s not a “following orders” or “following policy” kind of response > which will be the most constructive, in my opinion. I still have huge > respect for you, Marty. But you can’t go backwards. It’s time to think > up new solutions to Scientology’s critics.
alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be waking up shortly. as Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy... perhaps he can begin recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will be impressive.
Meantime Farty IS providing a valuable service...drawing others out of the cult and clustering the remaining hard core dingbats... who are now online, and running across the vast array of expose... each iteration dilluting their brainwash.
One only hopes that enough outrage is generated by the various court cases and official criticism in the EU and OZ to generate a class action... of which Farty Heartburn will be among the top listed perpetrators,, in ruining peoples lives, stalking, libel, slander, reverse processing to induce suicide...in collusion with others... namely that used car salesman Mikie Rinder, and Lil Davie Miscavige... and the other OSA scum that remains hard core to the end, in the face of those facts.
> On Nov 19, 11:43 am, Eldon <EldonB...@aol.com> wrote:> What a dick. His definition of "the far left" is, BTW, the haters who > > comprise the critical community and want to take the cult down.
> I'm confused. Does this mean Marty thinks of himself in the Center, or > is he Far Right, with LRH, doing anything to KSW so that Scientology > can take over business, government, education and medicine, and get > that Space Org built to clear the Universe.
> Also, doesn't the "what is true for you" interpretation of LRH crap, > automatically mean there will be no consensus reality, or > understanding of the tech that is common to all Scilons? The only > consistency is obtained through enforced policy, which needs to be run > by a cruel dictator, with executives willing to act as his henchmen.
> When declaring "wins," Scientologists don't say what their specific > benefit is. They act like they've been goosed by a giant intergalactic > goose, and spout meaningless pre-approved slogans about their "space > expanding" etc. And Marty and others really thing this is going to > catch on and save the planet?
> The only thing common to all Scientologists, while they are in the > cult anyway, is that they accept the big lie, that L. Ron has all the > answers. They'll accept that he was cruel to children, drove his son > to suicide, flunked out of school, couldn't speak a foreign language > worth shit etc., but gee, he had all the answers.
Regarding Quinten Hubbards 'suicide' he was indeed found unconscious in his car in Las Vegas Nv two weeks after leaving the cult...ID missing, windows rolled up, and a tube running from his exhaust into the passenger compartment....suicide? well maybe, except for the fact that he died later in the hospital injected apparently behind the ear... ? bogus? maybe.... except we also have his two buddies died in separate incidents in Las Vegas within the following two weeks.
given lil Davies mother in law's suicide...the absolute **first 4 shot suicide in world history... one tends to doubt the chain if coincidences with Quinten.
> Plus, it is hard for me to discern how wonderfully LRH tech has worked > for Rathbun and Rinder, in their lives. I can see how Scientology > helped give Travolta more confidence. Marty is accusing all criticism > as coming from people who have not had success with LRH tech, whether > they are former Scientologists or not. Automatically, your whole > twenty years in Scientology becomes invalid because you can't pretend > you got super powers from it? Is that it?
> It's very difficult understanding these novis homos.
On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:18:24 -0800 (PST), phil scott <p...@philscott.net> wrote in msg <d0d72be3-fa0a-49f6-8cf5-a71fce8a1...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>: <snip>
>alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be >waking up shortly. as >Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy... >perhaps he can begin >recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will >be impressive.
Alonzo is a 1.1 bastard, take it from me. I've seen that mf pretending to be a theety weety nice guy, but intensive dowsing of a picture I drew of him in crayon revealed the draco reptoid within.
Ever yours in fandom, Jommy Cross
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> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:18:24 -0800 (PST), phil scott <p...@philscott.net> > wrote in msg > <d0d72be3-fa0a-49f6-8cf5-a71fce8a1...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>: > <snip>
> >alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be > >waking up shortly. as > >Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy... > >perhaps he can begin > >recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will > >be impressive.
> Alonzo is a 1.1 bastard, take it from me. I've seen that mf pretending to > be a theety weety nice guy, but intensive dowsing of a picture I drew of > him in crayon revealed the draco reptoid within.
> Ever yours in fandom, > Jommy Cross
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The thing that strikes me about that Mary peice is his God complex. He seems to believe himslef to be in command of an army that is invisable to us mere mortals.
Richard Ford wrote: > On 20 Nov, 03:51, jommycross@[127.1] (Jommy Cross) wrote: >> On Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:18:24 -0800 (PST), phil scott <p...@philscott.net> >> wrote in msg >> <d0d72be3-fa0a-49f6-8cf5-a71fce8a1...@k13g2000prh.googlegroups.com>: >> <snip>
>>> alonzo had huge respect for Farty? what a hooot. Alonzo will be >>> waking up shortly. as >>> Farty goes into warfare mode against der enemiies of der philosophy... >>> perhaps he can begin >>> recruiting his idiot sychophants to go after anonymous.... that will >>> be impressive. >> Alonzo is a 1.1 bastard, take it from me. I've seen that mf pretending to >> be a theety weety nice guy, but intensive dowsing of a picture I drew of >> him in crayon revealed the draco reptoid within.
>> Ever yours in fandom, >> Jommy Cross
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> The thing that strikes me about that Mary peice is his God complex. He > seems to believe himslef to be in command of an army that is invisable > to us mere mortals.
> Show us the evidence, mate.
Silly...you know body thetans are invisible!
-- xenubarb Chaplain, ARSCCwdne
A walk down the path of history is crunchy with the crispy corpses of those who pooh-poohed or ignored the clown car of ridicule when it pulled-up to the curb.
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